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Post by SPGunslinger on Aug 18, 2005 12:44:24 GMT -5
are we free to talk about abortion here. I know its a heated topic but we are all cool blokes that can handle debate.
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Post by Richie Cunninghamster on Aug 18, 2005 13:23:17 GMT -5
Howdy. I'm against abortion as it is killing a poor innocent human life. There are exceptions tho such as if the baby is dead in the womb, is braindead or if the life of mother and baby is threatened.
If it's just because the pregnancy was unplanned, that is wrong. It doesn't justify giving an innocent human the death penalty.
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Post by zoegonzalez on Aug 18, 2005 20:03:41 GMT -5
I think abortion as birth control is wrong as well, but I am pro choice.
Abortion is some peoples only option, at least in their mind, and they have every right to a safe, medical environment. Although it isn't is it? People have decided they can choose to take one life over another - to prove a point.
People are not perfect - they loose there minds in the heat of passion. They forget to take pills. Birth control, outside of abstinence is only 99% effective at best, and that is only if it is used correctly.
If education & good sense over take the planet - yea, if abortions are just something that ends up in the history books because it's the equivalent of leeching - yea again. Until then, if myself or anyone else, felt that was the only option I wish them strength & safety & hope.
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Post by SPGunslinger on Aug 18, 2005 21:57:04 GMT -5
heres an idea for someone who messed up and has already had a child.
why not kill the older child instead of the new child. by the older child probly is a handful and may be more expensive.
you say thats murder but hows that any diferent then killing the unborn child.
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Post by Skeletor on Aug 19, 2005 8:05:18 GMT -5
I agree with zoegonzalez, I am pro choice, if the baby is not wanted then its probably for the best, the planet is vastly overpopulated as it is. I do not consider abortion to be murder it is not a person.
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Post by SPGonzalez on Aug 19, 2005 13:02:00 GMT -5
it stops a beating heart in most cases so that would be murder
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Post by neverwhore on Aug 20, 2005 4:33:13 GMT -5
a woman's right to choose ends with whether or not she chooses to use contraception. why should a potential human being be denied the right to live just because a selfish woman refused to think past her orgasm.
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Post by mspnats on Aug 20, 2005 7:54:17 GMT -5
a woman's right to choose ends with whether or not she chooses to use contraception. why should a potential human being be denied the right to live just because a selfish woman refused to think past her orgasm. lol of course men have nothing to do with causing pregnancy and they certainly would never think about their orgasms.
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Post by neverwhore on Aug 20, 2005 14:01:04 GMT -5
yes i thought someone would bring that up which is almost a valid point but the fact remains that ultimetly it is the womans responseablity to make sure she doesnt get pregnant if she is sexually active. the guy should wear protection of course (STDs) but if a woman is having sex, dont you think it wise to make sure she is on some type of contraceptive if she is not wanting/willing to have a child. i dont think a woman shoud base her not having a child on whether or not the guy brings a condom with him. if she is sexually actve she should be on some type of birth control if she does not want a child.
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Post by zoegonzalez on Aug 20, 2005 17:59:27 GMT -5
it stops a beating heart in most cases so that would be murder A beating heart requires a a circulatory system which doesn't start functioning till the 12th week, right SPG? Abortions are legal for the first trimester only, I think, 3 months, 12 weeks.
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Post by invisible on Aug 22, 2005 15:25:45 GMT -5
I think abortion is murder and could never go through it myself. I would rather have no money and be living on the streets then kill my own child. I can't understand what could make abortion the only option for people. I think that every time someone has sex they should be aware that it could end in pregnancy and make there choice there and then. The only time that I think abortion could be considered is if the woman involved has been raped.
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Post by mspnats on Aug 22, 2005 15:33:42 GMT -5
I think abortion is murder and could never go through it myself. I would rather have no money and be living on the streets then kill my own child. I can't understand what could make abortion the only option for people. I think that every time someone has sex they should be aware that it could end in pregnancy and make there choice there and then. The only time that I think abortion could be considered is if the woman involved has been raped. I suppose if you were living in the street with no money and a child, the authorities would step in cause you'd be an unfit parent. People go through with having unwanted kids and sometimes they are neglected and abused and live a shitty life. OTOH anyone who truly has the best interest of an unborn child would put it up for adoption. Kids keeping kids is a purely selfish act. It has nothing to do with love. Probably the bottom line is don't have sex if you aren't damn sure you or the other person is protected.
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Post by mspnats on Aug 22, 2005 15:37:24 GMT -5
yes i thought someone would bring that up which is almost a valid point but the fact remains that ultimetly it is the womans responseablity to make sure she doesnt get pregnant if she is sexually active. the guy should wear protection of course (STDs) but if a woman is having sex, dont you think it wise to make sure she is on some type of contraceptive if she is not wanting/willing to have a child. i dont think a woman shoud base her not having a child on whether or not the guy brings a condom with him. if she is sexually actve she should be on some type of birth control if she does not want a child. of course it is a valid point. The flip side is why would a man risk disease or pregnancy? I think that when these things happen the people really aren't thinking about any consequences. There is wishful thinking that it won't happen to them or maybe the are drunk or on drugs and don't care.
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Post by SPGetmeoutahere on Aug 23, 2005 15:29:42 GMT -5
how is it not murder if the justification of an abortion is rape.
its a life regardless of the way it was created. think of the type of child that could grow up to be. The child could have a great understanding of love and empathy because someone cared enough for it though it was not necessarily started in good circumstances. such would motivate this person to be the best he or she could be.
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Post by mspnats on Aug 23, 2005 20:24:59 GMT -5
how is it not murder if the justification of an abortion is rape. its a life regardless of the way it was created. think of the type of child that could grow up to be. The child could have a great understanding of love and empathy because someone cared enough for it though it was not necessarily started in good circumstances. such would motivate this person to be the best he or she could be. The thing is, this is wishful thinking. I used to feel similar about this until i went to nursing school and saw some reality.
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